Historical Document · 1936
Court transcript for 1 July 1936 in In Equity No. 15,014, the suit over the Rayolite light-ray gallery patents (2,007,082 and 2,007,083). The History of Light Guns dive draws the first light gun's business history from the five days of transcript.
Livineston-direct Wednesday, 10:30 Court convened pursuant Messrs. to July 1, 1936 o'clock a. m. adjournment. Threedy Parker FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO LIVINGSTON CALLARD resumed the stand for MR. THREEDY: THE COURT: Yes. MR. THREEDY: @ Has the Mr. nation you explained tion the device of patents. that Advise a mechanic ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STRENOGRAPHER, further Court by Mr.Threedy the art book Livingston, to the of each the direct-examination Court of prior yesterday Court the of the Doucet, Hoxie whether or not you skilled in the art have McCullough an opinion knowledge named could produce three patents which would include all the of patent in suit, particularly the 11, if so, explain Court instrumentalities to and opera- having the and and and of 10 and direct-exami- construction disclosures the on patents? the of device the of what a device device claims that of the 1, 2, opinion is. A Yes, | McCullough | rn a TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 I have such disclosures an opinion. could The be readily Doucet, Hoxie combined and to produce 336 Livingston-direct = a device which 1l patent of the opinion I have Fisure 1 of Hoxie patent, nation. In would have in suit. had the the For prepared Doucet the of claims purpose Defendants' patent, and Figure effectins elements explaining Exhibit the G, that which shows single figure of 1 of the McCullough patent, in combi- this and of 1, 2, 10 end combination it is not the necessary FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO to alter either 18 and leads from Doucet ter or gun at with light gun disclosures. was simply connected by these in the which already existed the lead 18 of Doucet being to connected counter the The circuit the McCullough in the regis- below the point indi- connecting the Doucet light just pointed out, of Hoxie, the just of McCullough, 39 in to the lead 19 magnets the of one eonnected and of battery 38 in McCullough being shot these leads side the positive of 19 to patent, MeCullough cated any Doucet The two or latter. connections as circuit, I have ALICE RANKIN, M. STENOGRAPHER, Court are indicated From lead at amplifier was to an and G. Exhibit amplifier connected thereof connected other the of was side electromagnet The CENTRAL 3908 TELEPHONE one in Defendants’ output the 25 of the latter McCullough which in blue to the the lead electromagnet 22 20 signal 55 of the Hoxie 26 from 23 in MeCullough, to releases the target of this electromagnet side means indicate a hit. 23 is connected aot Livingston-direct to a negative side, let Side of that battery of means BUILDING, CHICAGO the signal McCullough hooked FIRST NATIONAL HANK in at We drawing lough up, of battery 14, and the positiv other 36 to the at lead is connected in I stated that effecting this the obviously have, for omitted because say, side 35. I believe alter us it was of to I have simply places. simplicity in making this circuit connections in MecCul- simply clutter up andbe these devices operates combination they unnecessary necessary combination. convenient purposes not would the sheet as it did alone, and a pull on the trigger B confusing. Each of in the operation of the of the Doucet gun will to be emitted from the illuminate the light gun. That light 11 to cause will be operated No, I am mistaken through the lens 10 along the line in that 11. Simply along the dotted line and impinge upon will affect the ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourr STENOGRAPHIER, of the rotating Hoxie. That disk 11 photocell turn will cause a change in fier and, by leads 25 and 26, an operation in the magnet 23 and pull target 22 TELEPHONE CENTRAL $908 to the back indicate this a hit. output that McCullough -- a flash through an aperture the photocell amplifier, which in current of that empld- change will effect current mechanism to operate electro- little latch 21 to release At same time the B in the the signal 338 _ Livineston-direct means a in erash counter the form of a simulating the R will up, of curse, step is being symbol here sound or will report indicating rotated be of one meantime operated a gun shot. to and The by the motor give this shot target 11, 16. This combination does not have a shot-limiting means| ment of this shots, let the gun say 10. would be rendered it were ALIGE M. RANKIN, Gourr STENOGRAPHER, put have the quickest Q Mr. Livingston, please? scriptive what a 5908 TELEPHONE CENTRAL you will element or it would be very shot elementa it or described, very are circuit. I think if and refer to the patent now and part tenth effect. suit whether the simplest in Court of of number the understanding the arrange be your patent series it wuld With the is a switches the of parts For ‘Such I have manner circuit gun the in and variety other in termination inoperative. the in switch be applied could great of very the apply to At the apply. a predetermined to permit combination to easy 19there 18 or by defined combination, this by very be would device the of 2 omitted leads us and common the of in one example, element which means limiting a such but only the 11 and 2 10 1, claims is that I think and Fikstr NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO or which the not elements the of disclosure part descriprive that any reference enable you to constitute the in such explain to target that as of advise patent, find you would of suit, in the deCourt term | 339 Livingston-direct AGO | A If I understood part of the term "target" Q@ I am drawings or | term askins you whether the the the used the in in the suit the claims. descriptive to the Court what constitute the target as that term is claims "target portion 48, line 1, about 48," which element employed to I find 32, indicates that the based upon your opinion, in your of the patent of the device understanding informati 46. portion target any the in issue. on page specification, with or explain the you parts to of furnish defines you is the member The is patent suit language, @ the what in device In the target patent enable elements A | that would define of as of FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHIC which specification asked you correctly, question your issue. in claims the of device the in defining is employed is that in suit, RANK IN, GOURT STENOGRAPHER, provided the target which is the device of the claims an with aperture as in defined in issue? ALICE M. | | The aperture 61 is in the target portion 48. 4 Yes, it is. Q From your understanding patent and the disclosure suit, do you would enable you to constitute a drop? element elements TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 No, I do such in reference which A drawing the any find disclosure or of descriptive of the not. The term "drop* of the part the of patent in descriptive part or to the Court what in the claims and explain is used 340 | Livingston-dircet | ee is also used CHICAGO }ILDING, UL in the I have been unable patent what is @ The tarset il specification to determine meant target provided by element Yes, it @ State whetheror a vertical of position relate adapted when a hit circumstances is to registered? these and 11 are or in suit, including the drawings and of the patent in in so those drop and means for patent a I have stated, is meant by the term drop specification or any other part include claims is patent not it consistent suit, is with far releasably your the as holding the position? as those and the under part to raised and of and not 10 the descriptive reason, position by iss thatclaims which 10 the A.- 11, claims is that a horizontal what the suit, into A Well, ALICE M. RANKIN, Goort STENOGRAPHER, is defined drop in testified "drop." as in drop the aperture disposed and of the is defined study with which claims diligent have in the not you patent disclosure term is 48 which the opinion from it portion of FIRST NATIONAL BANK Bt the but the a drop, structure I cannot having are been unable to determine from the patent, either the of the patent, claims 10 and unintelligible defined relate to or the to me device for that defined by the specification of those conditions, that the patent. Q@ TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 Then you would say, under claims 341 Livingston-direct CHICAGO G, | 10 and end | A Yes, they @ Refer to you find the Said the patent suit. Q@ I was speaking Mr. Livingston, in the means May any of the shown the things, photoelectric the thus A in my word an or defined Yes, claim such advise the Court wovld fron in the patent structure in the for that which patent matter. There operated suit. drawings the is suppor current 1 of of whether by of in is no current amplifier. you, Mr. Livingston, in "signal means cell which by the specification described patent suit your which by claim 1 of that word "from" opinion, that the Advise the the the is Court means suit? is controlling and or the agency, of including, current in current device among from a whether or controlling signal patent the as by the opinion, operates that is deseribed actuated amplifier"? "from",in agency in specification, I inform 1 of means find a photoelectric cating suit recited in | nor wmrrect? as Nor drawings that amplifier," patent Other and the is actuated the claim AL ICH M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHI in suit; “signal not Q in expression, signal | the I do from patent of are. No, A the device a description | suit, | in of of the svecification A | misdescriptive specification FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDIN ah, 11 are of as indi- the device it says plainly, which is the | TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 342 Livingston-direct current, which operates electric amplifier. THREEDY: THE GOURT: MR. THREEDY: Will you (The last question Livingston, No, Q@ Then, Mr. word "from" used the expression, the signal R. FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO Did the I did in claim the of the in suit from understand read "signal in come the the question and answer the Court is 1 of means 1 of the the from the witness’ from some and were photo answer? patent patent in other read) in by cell answer? to understand actuated photoelectric current must not. claim amplifier," current Court 83, suit and current suit, the used in from said distinguishes amplifier source that of other the patent than the me that amplifier? THE WITNESS: I wonder if you would please read question? (The question was read) ALICE RANKIN, M. GoURT STENOGRAPHER, A Yes; positively. Q Then, Mr. Livingston, Court whether or conform to the description of the expression opinion, 1 of the means actuated by current from said amplifier,” as claim 1 of patent in suit, must include a part means which is operated TELESHONE CENTRAL 8908 patent the in a signal to the your structure a device, advise suit by virtue as not, of in claim "signal used by current of in its from the 343 > Hi] Livingston-direct photoelectric cell A Yes, Q Advise the Court whether or not, shot counter and the limiting switch a claim manner any target for such with to push or a light impinges Will you when WITNESS: the The shot-counter at 73 or operates in Figure portion with 4 of the 48 to fall MR. THREEDY: THE COURT: signal urge of patent target the the upon read the read) mechanism, which the in target the mechanism to to in suit push portion in the 48 into cell? question? is generally suit, the opinion, mechanism was patent means. in your target please (The question A&A a cooperates position THE calls mechanism, FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHicaGco hit 1 amplifier? indicated in no way cooperates cause the target into a hit position. That is all, if the Court please. Cross-examine. ALIGE M. RANKIN, GCourr STENOGRAPHER, TELEPHONE CENTRAL 83908 —— 344 Livingston-cross =| GHIGAGO CROSS-EXAMINATION By Mr. Q How long you bem a patent Something over five years. How since you were over two years.. A FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING,@ Patent have Parker: long solicitor? admitted to practice before employ of Mr. Threedy? you are now in his em- wrapper of the patent in the Office? A Soréthing Q@ How long A Over three @ Is my have you been in the months. -understanding correct that ploy? A Yes, Q@ Are that is correct. you familiar THREEDY: That with the file suit? MR. ALIGE M. RANKIN, GourT STENOGRAPHER, amination, MR. if the Court PARKER:. He has indicate he has patent. THE is objected such He COURT: has not proper cross-ex- please. answered familiarity studied to as with questions the patent, the procedure leading qualified a patent The question cross-examination. I will as which up would would to the indicate issue to that of the exvert. is whether or sustain objection, the seem not it is proper | TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 345 : a Livingston-cross Q PARKER: MR. of publications FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO THREEDY: MR. This witness file wrapper. the file wrapper of the patent in suit, through it and to read from the Patent the names are cited by If the it in actions Office Plaintiffs' look to you I ask and has not THE COURT: I will MR. PARKER: © to Referring understanding showing parts of A That is © Referring the any improper. is that I think contents of the i objection. the sustain Office. concerning testified in my Patent the patents whatever of numbers and please, Court correct Defendants’ Exhibit G, am have combined in one three different patents? you that structures of correct. first I understand which is you of copy certified a G, which Exhibit I hand the Doucet patent been offered in to has No. 1,451,294, evidence, are you of this fam- this patent? dliar with ALIGE RANKIN, M, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, A I have Q From read the you the structure of A I assume Q As expressed A Its intended TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 yes. drawings have patent, it; and description opinion an reached the patent you mean its in the use? as and to what is? useful patent. claims purpose? the purpose of Livingston-cross es CTAGO ———: Q Yes. A Answering in the light of this, call, designed for practice of marksmanship ments, and Q Is the things there any function FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHiEt A I do scribes of not its that disclosure the member function, its @ Can you beam of light? A The source function how tell me lights the same. A A beam. by the military. description in use indicated the at 2 exact try in the patent which your light. a beam the weapon operates of of 1 and to answer project I re- engage- Figures language to of energy the Does as 2? de- question to pro ject this | of @ was, night I will is weapon for for or find but a pulling ‘2 and sort, immediately by saying and of the it direct As »- is connected trigger effects a connection or a a beam of light recall it, the the sentence light 19 and 18 to the leads flash to tie lamp of light? is steady from the unlessthe ALIGE RANKIN, M. GourtT STENOGRAPHER, trigser @ Will begins A is depressed. you please in the middle I read, read of line patent which 65 of page 1? beginning with line 65 of page 1: "The electric lamp may be switched in only at the moment of firing or the source of light may be normally obscured by a shutter which is operated to permit of the projection of the beam at that moment." a TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 347 { Livineston-cross @ Does that indicate A To my mind that indicates Would you care to express an opinion? either, I would say, from Q A It could be & What are the A They are leads, Q@ Do PIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO the A power beam 18 and that a flash? alone. that sentence. 19 of Figure 1? that the purpose leads. you is marksmanship I said or neither, understand patent I think steady elements I correctly Doucet a was to say of practice for the military? recollection of its stated this is my purpose. @ Does the patent A Ido not understand @ Is the of A is a teach how the there any description device, how it purpose import of in patent the the attained? question. | of the operation is used? Yes, I think short description. on page 1, beginning with line 42, there ALIGE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, @ l of A Please the read the sentence the patent: which begins in line 42 of page patent. Reading from "Now according to this invention, the firearm, Which may be an effective weapon or a dumny, is fitted with means for projecting a beam of light when fired and ject or target, or duced by such beam determining TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 the the illumination of the ob- the disk or spot light proaffords an adequate means for accuracy or otherwise of the aim." 348 Livineston-cross Q On the have just how the basis read, of the are language of that you able to form an marksman checked his aim or knows Having taken aim ani pulled sentence opinion which as you to just wether his aim trigger, he is correct? A to Yes. tell FirsT NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO which by the relative has and he shot Q@ You mean A His positionof the he shoots target, if light his aim the how a flash the target accurate of light is proper, or object his aim at the his is able at was. target? light will be il- luminated. And it is with his eye which A That is my understanding @ Is the there A Q his which target sees he guide? of any description it; in the I do mt recall Now refer to the Hoxie patent understand MR. MR. the MR. has PARKER: offered TELESHONE CENTRAL $908 is the yes. patent of the mature of target? ALIGE CourT RANKIN, M. STENOGRAPHER, of of illumination the Q is in evidence, THREEDY: offered been It Yes, one. in Mr. which I evidence. these correct, 1,475,583, No. patents have all been Threedy? I have offered them for the convenience Court. PARKER: Are the patents given individual numbers? 349 Livingston-cross Sees MR. THREEDY: this patent, which has UILDING, CHIGAGO MR. all the are been others, Does or that book, of has which PARKER: you Well, language enables patent as the referring thereany Which which on to patents, contained in the book seen, include not opinion an to what was the purpose the patent? Yes, title the the form in every patent, you. in to described contains Hoxie Patent No. 1,475,503, this patent? you the art I have book served with Is intended bem femiliar Q is of prior publications? I guarantee Yes. A with in a book offered. patents A and all THREEDY: notice MR. are together PARKER: MR. FIKST NATIONAL BANK Bt They of the patent patent or from or use is a any an inspection of the fair indication of the structure. sho indication of its use. ALIGE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, @ What A It Q Referring of is was its use? designed to as this a variable Hoxie patent, current does generator. A indicate a source light? A It Q@ Does A Yes. TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 does. 10 indicate a lms? 350 : ceeeainnenenss Livineston-cross @ What, in your cooperation with opinion, the source is the of light purpose Its intended purpose was that from the source into form suitable rotating disk Q What A The FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHicAaGco 11 and a the aperture is the purpose member 12, as of the the target. the purpose of concentrating the aperture to the Q Are the there aim A of any a flash Yes. ent The That means shown or of ray A is are not given, the light may the and disk, mittent Q Is of or there any I believe Q Is the for light the 12? purpose, light aperture behind that to which is passes a spread. in Hoxie aiming for say, through or varying in the pat- movable. Circuit con- the light was in my opinion whether and be moved light indicated at will emitted constant that showing respective to may be inter- of moving the light desired. any mention means A indicate as upon direction preventing the nature of the constant for is apparently intermittent that the schematically light in light? would indieates TELEPHONE CENTRAL $908 photocell, 10 concentrating is a fixed the lens 17 therein. a similar which ALIGE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, or serves light drawing. nections or That of member I recall, the A? A A of in the patent it or any described and shown moving purpose for moving A it? not. lens 10 as movable? 351 Livineston-cross oad A The same sense and I therefore at lens 10 that liberty is A shown, is. It let described as that the reader the or not as he believe it Is there any indication | any means for A No. moving I would schematically not move VIKST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO say, is to Q me in of in fixed or patent the movable, would be desired. the patent patent would or any reason or suggest that both it? say that the the lens A and the light 10 could be held mnstant, that is, immovable. Q@ If they are held immovable 1, will they, in your opinion, by the structure é licht described in the position perform and the lens 10 are they will. shown for function in Figure demanded shown? If I understand you correctly, A and the shown held you ask whether, fixed, they will if the function as for RANKIN, COURT STENOGRAPHER, M. requested? Q Certainly. A Yes, Q Are A No. Q Is ALIGK or I believe any means there any advantage testified A TELEPHONE CENTRAL BOOB No, suggestion of moving moving the in patent the any one of The fact member 12? of any purpose the members you have that they just about? there is not. are not described as 352 Livingston-cross i either movable or may used desired, be held A leads that me to the opinion that be is to say, they may suggestion in the patent they moved or fixed. Q be as fixed, But you find no moved or that there is any you define the member advantage that they should in moving them? supported evidently, No. FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO fat & How do A The member it has and an 17 adjacent 11 apertured its outer Has it the It certainly Has re bP ©2 © No. © How A A is a disk, rotatably disk carrying a plurality of apertures periphery. function could it, as shown do you cefine target 11? of a have in the target? the function patent, the of a target; funetion yes. of a target? aitarget? may be said to sought be that which is aimed shown in the of other at, which ALICE M. RANKIN, GouRT STENOGRAPHER, is shot at, which is to be hit. Q Is the member B a photoelectric A Yes. Q Hos is it A The structural cell? mounted? mounting is schematically shown, as it is positioned behind the is not are some rotating the disk or patent. It elements, and target ll relative 353 f | | | 3908 TELEPHONE CENTRAL Livingston-cross to the light relative to Q source the Assuming position, I believe apertures that is any with the amplifier? A Yes, it is. @ In the and the eéll, do A No, the circuit in in means line B is cell of comnection or circuit you see there course, the cell B? the celi B? connected in cir- amplifie the between contacts? between connections Of fixed. moving fmm the moving for patent in fixed or of moving the any positioned kept patent that say to correct is well. the the cuit them 12 are in Is are 10 and shown @ lifier as advantage Are it disk any @ it the stated opinion, No. any I suggestion A FIRST Nat BANK TONAL BUILDING, CHIGAGO in the members thre in your patent, A. .and cell the is no reason get from for amp the applying the showing. ALIGE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, G& And none A None are @ Is there are shown. any purpose the cell A Such contacts for them, any TELEPHONE CENTRAL 3908 for suggestion and fixed any B and shown? the you are desire contacts moving amplifier, which expedients for them, can they if may patent interposed I judge and the is there be between indicated is any readily of at C. need applied, 354 | Livingston-cross | i| but they are not shown Q Does the A The patent -- « The patent as A It neither patent in the suggest patent any or called reasons why for. they should be be or used? it stands. suggests reasons why they should used FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO not used. Then say you would that on silent was patent A I believe it is. q& Referring to the MfeCullough patent No. 561,124, Ficure 1. Am I correct in my look at the target or beam of A That ¢ Am gun please in that understanding a flash A does not emit type of electric light? It correct. is is is not that in understanding I correct patent lough the shown apparatus point? that any there that suggestion of nowhere the in the gun. MeCul- employment of shown in a STENOGRAPHER, RANKIN, ALICE M. CourT photoelectric A Thet @ Or A That raay Do is cell? correct. amplifier? is correct. the you see in Figure 1 or as shown Exhibit G, a traveling TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 in McCullough the structure, schematic as selection of Defendants target? bee, =] Livingeston-cross CHICAGO i, THE WITNESS: Would Figure 1 of McCullough but other figures Q@ Will you FIRST NATIONALA BANK BUILDING Fisure Q@ Wheat target 26° A is at It that question, was read) does not have a please? traveling target, do. please 7, the means are the repeat question (The A you point member out figure that does? 26. employed clockwork the to impart mechanism travel to the traveling indicated in Figure up? 7-A 25. @ You A Yess Q What A I do not it. It mean mechanism stops is the recall set that has to be operation of the moving that in motion thereis and wund anything allowed target 26? provided to to move stop until it runs anything done down. ALICE M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, -Q Is this connection A No. Q@ Is motion the gun A? motion in any with this in any way affected by way affected by the cell employed in number of in hots taken? A Wo. - Q@ Is TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 any photoelectric connection with thi 356 /| Livingston-eross CAGO tarset? A None, @ Is there Which can A Well, Q I would FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHI the to use be described I don't of the a gun as mean your question (The second the target by a drop, a member And Is there anywhere which could described be you with which, structure of Mr. 26 Parker. in response this kind, to drops a hit. Q would what target In Yes, arop? drop A A a ina WITNESS: response in connection as know define indicate THE any portion accordance be with again, preceding please. question was your definition, I would in McCullough patent the as a read) say an element target drop or with your definition, which not. drops in to a hit? I think in several accordance drops. For instance, in Figure could be a drop in to 7-A, there just re- ALIGE M. ; RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, ferred to,the Q Eow does A The member @ Does it drop? A Yes, it does, & When the does the user TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 _ | member 22 called the member 22 operate in response 22 moves to indicate a hit. member 22 drops, of gun aim? the where, in order that sense. a hit? to make it drop, 357 tivineston-cro ss A He aims at LDING, GHICAGO in answering tarsets but you acters FIRST NATIONAL, BANK Bol when do that element is Simply shoot the at have are itself. in some of figures, he does usual target The reason the other not have structure, and shooting at some of the other characters which Characters,such as 22, you aim-at animal. A, you structure, patent itself or in from this excerpt G, any member responsive cates the number of A A Q Please point A Figure 1.. A shot — TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 shown in whereas the in Defendants! number Exhib- of shots, whieh indi- the part register counter of the patent which refers to it R is a shot described in counter. the body of the patent, think it is. It is described, for instance, on page 3, 38, and I think that is the same part I yesterday. Doest number ‘A as the char- yes. out ‘Gesinaied with line Q supperd, at specification? I read the it or aiming shots?-- counter; The to are background the McCullough the course, target gun on in of char- the his Is there Q ts this ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, animal on animal shot so-called with Q@ it I hesitate those delineated you 22 because in MeCullough's acters when the of You this shot counter operate shots which should be mean by its in any way to limit the taken? effect physical/upon the gallery arrangement? | = IO ae | Livingston-cross CHIGAC NG, Q Yes, A No, Q Is it shots A Yes, fendants' as or a I explained that such a shot-limiting of the register, either parts of that G, a part the circuit you testified that De- of the Doucet, Hoxie and of the claims relied upon, 1, 2, 10 and I do not know whether I usea that produces Ie M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, a target mechanism having corresponds functionally i the gun effect of shown the De- the constituted combination that to patents, the of if desired. parts that how description including say rather in my I correct, pation hits, I believe Q McCullough many and be made Exhibit how taken? is, fendantst shown. to register Exhibit could not been or other did ALIG have circuit A not, does it FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDE Am ee it merely many means ne itself a complete exact antici- 112 language, but by Defendants' Exhibit the functional -- matter the subject of I G which claims enumerated. Q@ In your in Defendants' Exhibit the claims have A Not the acca TELEPHONE CENTRAL 5908 you in terms. shot-limiting a switch | opinion, could that G support combination all the of elements limitations shown of all just mentioned? I believe switch very ee does was simply I pointed lacking, be supplied eee out, and instance, I explained without a for any how tha such exercise eee 359 TT Sp UULI™ GLUSS aa of invention, © You t in my ae | opinion, pointed Out, 11 may in Defendants' Exhinit BUILDING, KCHICAGC G, the traveling tareet? A The member Q Is the A Yes, you can Q@ Then two targets A That would @® Are these A They cooperate FIRST NATIONAT, BAN erly upon Q menber be 22 of also said to be atraveling Defendants’ say that Exhibit is shown? be correct; yes. two targets indicated the target G a target? a tarcet. are in this sense, target, as cooperating? that a hit registered prop- 11 will be indicatea by the target member Would it No. 22 Deferdants' A Yes, you could eall Q You have called the member driving motor for that target? this Defedants' Exhibit in Hoxie, like most of the pointed out, does not have any particu- and user of of not be more proper Exhibit it then G is to a say Signal that thementer means? that. 11 a traveling target. Where ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, is the A The Q Do dishing A motor you of the lar circuit TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 find means a circuit No,the public 16. motor elements in G@ for estab- for the motor? 16, as already connections is apparently shown the at liberty the patent to connect rest andthe the motor and use 360 | _tvinsston-eross Pag é a the = elements as desired Q But you do not find the Defendants! Where any means for establishing a circuit it not thought x | Z | =| < z A <| z fact, No, was or as in they are not change from the patent. Do find any necessary. necessary indicated in the to Exhibit for that indicate patent. Ga any- We motor? that. did In wt make gt =| any @ you .Defendantst = A <i]. =| 208 F Q _& No, limit switch in the out, I think, that there I told how one be applied, do find Exhibit I pointed switch. Then you : shot establishing 7| limit Z| A No. | @ Do you find =| switch? of G? not . =| structure , a cireuit might in Defendants! no Exhibit : for the motor was which shot-limit- G.means includes for a shot-~- switch? electrical actuating means no I do for the shot-limit do not find an which must be succes- < A There Q No actuating | actuating o| being means switch, mcans. for the Then not. I presume shot-limit switch to shot-limit sively operated A That is @ And you do not find a circuit finally you open the switch? correct. oO! 0) “| < for said electrical actuat- re {| ing means =O| | controlled by the trigger switch? z || i bb 7 361 | Livingston-cross SHICAGO A That & Now referring you wish, simply what function is correct. to the Doucet patent the parts shown in Defendants' the trigger has end the again, and trigger using, Exhibit switch if 6G, of Doucet? NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, € A As shown Q Yes, or you A That of closing a circuit the Doucet patent FIRST in Defendantst can use the Exhibit whole G, you ask? patent. for the light suggest any reason anything besides source 2, pri- marily. @ Does &@ trigger Hert switch which flashes A No, I wuld @ Is lines there, in from the say not. the Doucet 18 and19 have the for to perform for employing controlling the gun? patent, any function any other suggestion than that to provide the energy 2? bulb ALICE M. RANKIN, Goort STENOGRAPHER, A They are of supplying power obviously power and to the literally provided light source 2 and no in the Doucet patent, has been indicated not know, for instance, what been intended or by the Q Am in the TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 I correct Doucet desired in stating, patent that particular for the purpose’ source so of that we connections do may have patentee, then, the lines that there is no 18 ana 19 should suggestion be put in zo Livineston-cross Clreuit with shot-counting means ILDING, CHICAGO means of A Yes, that is correct. Q@ You said, did you Doucet aim any structure, light on A If Doucet not, the user that o7 function Doucet gun the or not target not shown I understand your question, some results in a he spotted in steady beam signal of the gun, in addition result of his aim is, Q@ By moving the gun? A By moving the gun Q But you do not find any suggestion tying up the may seeing correct it his to is the the light what the his flash is that operation the of or the of for or corrected a beam the patent; rator reason means in the whether gun sounding kind? by seeing FIRST NATIONAL BANK Bu or of eorrect? of the and the ope- instantaneous aim if he desires? controlled. lines 18 and in Doucet 19 to any of any recording mechanism? ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, A Having left there is no suggestion except generally he has indicated Q to Now referring purpose of Hoxie was A That is right. Q@ Assume that TELEPHONE CENTRAL 3908 in conductors as the to what Hoxie to provide the 18 and 19 free, as he did, use of they might be a source patent, aonnected to of power. you a variable the Hoxie said that current device the zenerator? a steady beam Livingston-ere of light UILDING, CHICAGO passes member 12 is effect the gs through against with is aligned of the rotation of the disk interrupt the beam light. A Ultimately, an Q@ Why des he want ean tell from the A His intention give him the the the which What is Assume light, strikes through B, Q the 10 and cell To Q lens the A FIRST NATIONAL BANK B the result of that operation to was of the of provide variable wave form. that light source of following interior passes portion through the what as you 11? amplifier his the to this it, interruption? interrupt language instead some light the of apertured light, patent an the c. so itself? apparetus of Hoxie dotted which would is moved line of this disk, apertured far so there that shown, so that none of member 12. Will the whether or not device function for the expressed purpose? A&A If I understand your question, you ask ALIGE M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, light @ from No, gun the a portion falling out on a portion of alignment with between the two apertures- apertures, I misse