Historical Document · 1936
Court transcript for 30 June 1936 in In Equity No. 15,014, the suit over the Rayolite light-ray gallery patents (2,007,082 and 2,007,083). The History of Light Guns dive draws the first light gun's business history from the five days of transcript.
Hansen-cross =e 30, 10:30 o'clock 4. 1936 mM. Threedy Parker Messrs. PRESENT: June adjournment. to pursuant convened Court is Tuesday, FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO i resumed by Mr. Parker in saying I correct am D, Exhibit Defendants' to Referring Q cross-examination further for stand the. HANSEN M. LESLIE that when itis recorded against the cell 62 current from flows amplifier the A Yes, that @ When current coil, is the through correct. from the amplifier A No. When that relay 79 pulls up and the circuit from 110 volt then the wale current the flows closes flow through that relay of switch supply to sons bets to the bell and ines: MR. THREEDY: I think, if the question. I do not believe I do not know COURT: that coil an armature of the source Can you TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 does through Q THE 79? does the bell 83 ring? ALIGE M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, the relay of the coil answer that question yes or no, please? Gourt please, he has answered that is to the witness. whether he fair can answer it yes or 246 i Hansen-cross — CHICAGO G, no. He is an MR. PARKER: agents. It = simply is the bell amplifier the 79 from coil the cur- when not or of whether a question intermediate the for call not did question The through flows rent expert. rings. The ultimate result When current from A the of ringing is a bell. FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDIN Q the coil the through flows amplifier 79 —anes of the relay yes or no, shown does or in Defendants' Exhibit does target not the D, please portion answer shown in front lowered posi- HER, of the cell 62 move into lowered position? A The target tion; yes. Q Then A Yes. Q@ Assume is urged it moves that D the movement into in the into a drop a lowered wiring of the relay position or position? diagram controlled of Defendants by a coil Exhibit shown at 79 ALICE RANKIN, M. Gourt STENOGRAP is prevented of current or does not take place from the amplifier, are any in suit, wiring diagram to it, for or in the sounding the patent bell in response means to the shown in this if you wish 83 .or operating the flow to refer electromagnet 69? A Means MR. PARKER: TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 for sounding Read the the bell, did question, please. you say? 247 Hansen-cross =x CHICAGO a A The means for Q Will you A Of course, read) sounding the bell please answer my question? the 110-volt lay 79 and therefore 79 is was question (The is the current. the by controlled is current 110-volt the bell could not ring unless re- the relay closed. FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, signal means target portion A That Q And or the or bell drop the from the amplifier | 79 is closed by the flow of current or the electromagnet will not be relay the unless that statement in my I correct am Then Q controlling the actuated? - is right. they amplifier cannot flows be actuated through unless current relay the coil of the that the flow of relay had any part from 79; the is that from the cor- rect? A That is correct. Q@ Then would you say current ALIGE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, amplifier through that in actuating the signal? A No, through turn, Q the Then not say amplifier completes plifier TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 I would even the actuates current because the only the flow of current relay. The relay, in line to the bell. from the 110-volt unless the flow of through the coil of the though takes place that, current from relay 79, the am- there 248 =a Hansen-cross L sHICAGO flow of amplifier that the actuation the in part no signal means, you still current through the of the actuation be no can current A The flow of Q From the amplifier. A The flow of coil 79 plays the signal means? through the amplifier? of amplifier current from the controls the source en the say re- that actuates FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, GC thereby lay and and supply to the signal current from the by any means shown in Can be actuated in the absence through the coil signal. the Q@ control of source the to signal the to supply function, its is that means, of amplifier of a flow of of the relay 79 patent the in Exhibit D or in Defendants’ suit? Can MR. PARKER: by any actuated it be A (The the read Please question means? question. was read; ALIGE RANKIN, M. GOURT STENOGRAPHER, A No, the signal is seid that controlled by the actuation of the re- lay 79. Q Have you volt line shown means for the A Yes. it TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 is the the flow in Defendants' of current Exhibit D is through the the 110- actuating signal? I did not current say that it is the actuates the actuating means, but I said signal. 249 |Hansen;cross | =——— BUILDING, CHICAGO to flow? switch on the current from the and thereby actuate the signal? amplifier closes the relay current Q@ What causes that A The closing of Q@ Does the flow causing the current the 79. relay K in flow The A and thereby of from current of controls flow to the part any have amplifier the source of supply to the signal. of current FIRST NATIONAL BAN Q@ Is it proper to say, then, that the flow from the amplifier through the coil 79 of the trols the 110-volt circuit causes 4 No, circuit of the Q the flow from the 110-volt What is N, Court STENOGRAPHER, of current 110-volt line the an actuation through the and thereby to actuate the signal. of the cause which of the relay line ultimate relay signal? completes causes actuation the of con- a current the sig- nal? A The ultimate cause? Q The ultimate cause, what A You mean source, where Q In other ALICE M. RANKI 4 Tie beam the words, of the electric cell rings the bell. Q When the | that TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 current and cell then starts it the is started? why does the signal light from the gun starts up is struck flows from the chain? get actuated? is projected to a photo- system, which ultimately by a light flash, you have said through the coil the amplifier | Hansen-cross | : of the relay current of UILDING, CHICAGO flow it from the coil this that that say to statement proper a through pre-condition to the the current flow from 79 to complete the circuit to signal. of actuation an is 79 amplifier the means? Yes, A Is necessary absolutely signal 79. amplifier that is necessary it relay the through the from FIRST NATIONAL BANK Br the 110-volt Then Q through line in order unless that coil that mrrent 79, the operate does signal the will the from flow amplifier. not be actuated;is that correct? A That is Q Referring TENOGRAPHER, in correct. thet figure dependent of to Figure 4 of the any for the means flow of patent actuating current in suit, the through signal the do you tind means in- relay shown at 79? MR. THREEDY: If the Court please, may I respectfully re- ALICE M. RANKIN, Court S quest counsel Figure to identify 4 of the patent the signal means in suit. he is referring Identify it by reference question, please? to character. MR. PARKER: Signal means 83. THE Will WITNESS: you (The last 4A The signal means read the two questions is actuated were by a flow read) of current through ——-— TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 rage! | Hansen-cross SS een a line shown MR, PARKER: tion as THE it in heavy is Read PARKER: I mean the witness question again. the Q the the relay 79. A The means supply lay of 110 79. MR. find elarify any means that question by in patent which does the for actuating volts. This, not the of not actuate PARKER: Will you read the You have not answered whether or not 83 or the any means will electromagnet that I am 79? there. Taking away 79 merely takes away machine set up with the D and someone al ong the signal relay you have this Wiring diagram of Defendants? TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 question. relay by the assume you again? of the Well, asking signal. coil actuating -Q re- does for means. by the that qgirrent means that is the event The for which 69 in the A control coil of or through the that move amplifier circuit controlled actu- actually from the of the is the the flow closing there, what will the is question not that flow through course, does saying, 69 in the event signal relay ALIGIH bell amplifier The M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, ques- the answer could ate the signal 83 or the electromagnet from D. re-read) were questions I will is do you current Exhibit put. (The FIRST Nat TONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO _ on Defendants’ if I wonder COURT: BR. green Exhibit is operate the the comes 252 Hansen-cross and takes JILDING, CHICAGO would away relay then actuate the signal signal means could not control you 79, ranoves it from the machine, how means 83 or the electromagne actuate if it did not of closing circuit that because you have said it 699? A The the NATIONAL BANK BI relay 79 SS Q Could not aa A No. It from the 110-volt line, taken the control away. riIRST @ You A Yes. Q@ Am to be have it. actuated could if taken I correct you at all? had some but the you means haven't control away? in my understanding that you have patent in suit JOURT STENOGRAPHER, is true, on Defendants’ shown the ALICE M. RANKIN, ¢ both the circuit of the Exhibit D, of the circuit of that in both thee in Defendants' result of a flash of the amplifier indicated in the lower in the structure of defendant, of current turn, causes it from C, light from the relay and Exhibit current it D or s908 L of hitting to flow right hand 79 indicated of the is equally the amplifier 110-volt heve patent current true is defendants is through the amplifier suit that Exhibit cause relay Exhib- D, and in tis structure the result close a relay, to flow to of Defendants and as circuits cell corner to shown the in Defendants? in as through a of the which, circuit flow in which TELEPHONE CENTRA ARR Hansen-cross actually operates ——— of Defendants’ that Exhibit 83 or the electromagnet D, or the part indicated the C or Exhibit Defendants’ is the signal means as Signal above positioned coils two 69 in it; correct? A That Q Is is correct, Mr. Parker. to say that correct it structure the respect in that FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHIGAGO the structure because they function are suit in patent the of and defendant of paraliel? A No, Q@ I did not ask framed on a series Well, A the is to direct the result Q@ That a question I asked function. of results. a beam of that of light direction devices In both yes. is parallel; result aim operation about you differently. to a photoelectric of the of a signal and the is true of both devices? is true of both devices; beam falling of on the cell cell the and is an a target. ALICE RANKIN, M. GOURT STENOGRAPHER, A That MR. PARKER: Will you to the witness and I will in it is the statement please structure =— last question say yes or no was read as follows: “Is to say him that to in that of defendant of the patent TELEPHONE CENTRAL 83908 that ask read back whether correct. (The question correct yes. in suit and respect the it the structure | are parallel?") 254 Hans en-cross gs CHICAGO a MR. PARKER: Q Is ants', I could general. too is that I will by time save true, in both that when a beam of light or rephrasing the question. a flash target this causes, these structures, that this and that, oe a flow of current from the the ultimate cuit, result of details is, firstly, secondly, the fall from audible signal; the result that the ultimate A Yes, that of intermediate cir- the causes sounding of an portion or of activities, is of both machines? correct. is ALICE RANKIN, M. GOURT STENOGRAPHER, machines, @ And in both suit end in defendants! lows from the coil of a relay current; flow is that A That Q I notice of flow the of target a chain intervening digronardine the and amplifier raley structures in both the amplifier current drop; the disregarding of each in a amplifier the from current of flow the on strikes of light or cell photoelectric in defend- and structure FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING the no. yes plaintiffs’ it and that answer not into going part, of each operation the development, functional the — are you Parker, Mr. "structure," say you When A that is to structure, of current from which closes the say, in the patent in this ultimate result fol- the amplifier through the outside circuit of 119-volt correct? is correct. in Defendants' Exhibit E a line 42' which runs | 8908 TELEPHONE CENTRAL = 255 Hansen-cross r shown at oo tube of the amplifier from the plate of the you find any such A In the drawings of the patent in Q In the drawings of the patent in suit. A Not in the Q@ Do you find it A Not in the specifications; Q Does defendant A Defendant Q@ Are you No, I am not, suit? in patent in the or wire line t,. Do 9 suit? eet sir. no, drawings; in patent the in described specifically FIKST NATIONAL HANK BUILDING, CHicadgo ' suit? ee it? employ not does familiar no. diagram. employ that wiring the file wrapper with of the patent in suit? A | Mr. I have Parker. never the file from the seen wrapper. have Q You M. RANKIN, GOURT STENOGRAPHER, not A No, I have @ You have at it examined all? not. ALIGK the wrapper how UR, THREEDY: made any patentee If the words please, the witness Court and wrapper wrapper would not be proper. | questions 8908 CENTRAL TELEPHONE | on It wuld be the wrapper. file any improper said he that questions based on at point to ask this file he employed? the file COURT: determine interpreted the THE to attempt seen not I. not had file any 256 ex Hansen-cross MR. THREEDY: MR, PARKER: Figure 3 of — to Defendants’ suit, I believe Referring Q patent the correct. is That in to B and testified you tmt 1 of Defend- in Figure show the trip rail 66 in the position Exhihit ants' Exhibit B, is effective to hold the target portion 48 correct? that is position; in upright FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO Yes, if hold that target Q against in raised position. I believe you testified of light with of a flash circuits the garding electromagnet A That Q@ And that the cell,the a is in between, trip rail result of the leaning is it A ultimate the 66 it will the contact result, disre- energization of the 69; am I correct? is correct. when the electromagnet 69 is energized,I believe you testified that it cause the armature 69 to move in a clockwise RANKIN, M. STENOGRAPHER, GOURT <| di rection? < A That is right. Q When the what effect, does armature if any, does move this in a clockwise have on direction, the position of the target portion 48?. : A The target 48 is moved into the position shown in Figure 2 is) | by the trip rail 66 pushing against the depending arm 65 of the 7 u| zu ‘ target, and the target then will fall.into the position shown rae Hansen-cross 3. Figure in fall It will A of that by gravity from the position you not say, then, would or you, to A by No, I would not say that. what I termed ss a release rail released the target. not Q It A It does Q It is not STENOGRAPHER, RT J portion 48 to permit gravity? fall is 2 to movement the that portion the target of the trip rail 66 released FIKST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO it of Figure 3. Figure Would Q to fall? it cause will What Q I gave you ® definition of trip say that the falls, the target not I could and released? not hold it. released, but the target falls? RANKIN,A Got M. Yes, it falis. Q But it A It is urged; is not released? ALICE not release it you When is moved. move a thing you do it. @ when it is in the position in which it is shown in Figure 1 of Defendants’ the target portion A Yes, it is held Exhibit B, is held against against is it not, tmt falling? felling The trip rail 66 could not hold 8908 CENTRAL TELEPHONE is a fact it in a clockwise it from falling direction. in a counter- 258 —e Hansen-ceross direction. cleokwise —— it, stand A Yes, that Q@ FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO When the Q@ It is A It is. Q@ I notice portion is Q In your tire target? position portion target position, lowered into 11 is released? — released. released? portion A the Exhibit Defendants’ l of in Figure target? as a right. is That A the definitely A upright correct? not or target described is ll or in raised latch rod 18 is moved the Yes, I under- correct. is state whether A held stem 18; is that by the rod ar please is 1l portion the as 1, Figure A, Exhibit to Defendants' Referring Q does opinion, that 11 member constitute the en- Yes. RANKIN, STENOGRAPHER, ALIGE Court M. Q@ That isthe entire target? A That is the target; yes. Q You the patent points or “target of the from yesterday words at the portions 48" and in one of your answers term, “target portion." What is the "portion" as associated with the several "target included that word in suit which a description employed 8908 CENTRAL TELEPHONE read word you portion" yoursel significanc “target"? 259 Hansen-cross the portion. that target, constitutes part particular that that means It merely A Q That portion? A That portion Q That could constitutes not mean is a part target. the part the target target larger some of it was structure? FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO it Well, A tion of it, And you the target from the patent 4 por- struc- target the of is It structure. portion is it but of ture. Q read of patentee by the given Figure 3 is a vertical upper portion of the 3, Figure transverse traveling he sectional view mounted target portions. Is of the structure shown in Figure 3?. patent, yes, of the In the light Q Is that a correct ants' Exhibit B? A showing target that that stated in which movably STENOGRAPHER, RANKIN, M. GOURT a description as in suit through the of one the deseriptio a correct it is a correct descrip- ALIGE tion. description of this 1 of Defend- Figure A Figure 1; yes. Q In view of this employment in the patent of the to include a structure which includes the "target" 48, 8908 CENTRAL TELEPHONE 62 and so on, do you still feel that for the term 50, numbers purpose of 260 Hansen-cross = = suit the shown as ll in Figure A Yes, I do. are FIRST NATIONAL BUILDING, BANK CHICAGO Then term target written A? 11 on the member marked A is the target. The that target into 11 having an aperture in I correct into patent? think No, I do not G Well, you of Figure have the parts that it. than I do, Mr. Parker. the descri in yet and description accurate an appears given ption the give you which that target The operation. that said 3 is shown that meaning the body in my understanding a different the that part shown in Figure 3 as the upper portion a traveling target, but in Figure 3, and described by the patentee the describes the as upper portion of 1 Figure whole all showing structure that A patent Exhibit to put am Q@ 1 of Defendants’ target a necessary is a member to the Exhibit 1 is in Figure Limited I feel of Defendants' member to be has "target" term this the target, traveling of you. ALICE RANKIN, M. GouRT STENOGRAPHER, see not only the target portion 48, but the base 50 and the belts 51 for moving it and the photoelectric mean to take employing the position the word & I believe when he used Q CENTRAL S908 TELEPHONE Did that that "target" the as the patentee he did? patentee the word “target.” he say target structure? meant the cell 62. was Do you in error target in structure 261 —n Hansen-cross not. did he A No, Q Then again a sentence which traveling type included description is a correct that ample, in Figure It Q Is it correct the pret to say, then, and of the patent language, the patentee language Do feel that shown, for you structure target of plurality ducks.” of the description correct is a a ex- 3? A facie with provided is and the is of target "This words, the 48, which may ; simulate portions FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO into the record column of page 1, you read part of the second in the upper body of the specification, in the of shown; structure the the prima that simply reading no making described to attempt as a yes. target inter- a gener- al structure which included the base 50 and the cell 62 and target portion the MR, | May I respectfully THREEDY: the af Court 48? is not That please. object to that auestion, of this wit- to determine that from province the ALICE RANKIN, M. Court STENOGRAPHER, it ness, the testimony MR. he of the province is the of THE CENTRAL 8908 TELEPHONE him to repeat terms about whic yesterday. MR, THREEDY: if . witness. I em only asking PARKER: testified way, the Court I do not quite understand the Court COURT: He the question that please. can state what his own notion is. 262 {| Hansen-cross _————_— THREEDY: MR. read (The question PARKER: That is THE COURT: I will sustain MR. PARKER: Q MR. question. the Kindly COURT: THE I that. for read. question the have to like would calls question the think I do not read ) was the the face of of language from the is that language on patent. FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO and descriptive am I correct of the to read language you that in understanding member the to objection. analysis In your term "target" Exhibit the claims yesterday by Mr. Threedy, rigidly limit the you shown at 11 use in Defendant s' A? Yes, that is right. A Q and that you exclude the possibility that the term target might be a structure, term broad you call it, excluded that as as to enough and include thus the inelude general the target portion 1l; STENOGRAPHER, RANKIN, ALICE GOURT M. you have of that a possibility in your (ntexoretet ton word? A Yes, I have. Q@ Then it is not your idea that the term "target" is broad enough to include anything more than that portion 11; am I correct? A 8908 CENTRAL TELEPHONE That is correct. The target is the thing at which you 263 i Hansen-cross al < | = S| the operates which structure and not the Q Then the operator shoots z| A He shoots at the aperture <| ZH Q Supposing he hits ;the target a beam actually hits some part of the the cell which you tell Z| shoot =| the at target. 11? portion target | «| light of target. the in that the target ll. What me is not a so itself portion x| happens? KH A Nothing happens. Q Supposing he hits part of the A The beam of light target and impinged on the ee gree target. What happens? FER, | in the the release a signal of the have will cell and ultimately to actuate. Q Then I am correct, em I not, in understanding that when the operator aims at wend purpose to miss the target? A I wouldn't say Q@ You said that if he 4 is his ALIGE M. : RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAP A the if he hit the cell something If he directed the hit the nothing happened, beam of light through the something would he would hit the cell Q When the flash of light goes TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 target happen. target target structure did the the Aekzee say to you it that. that it hit cause A and cause Exhibit in Defendants’ target aperture the through passed and through the but aperture in happen. aperture, does itself? 264 Hansen-cross CAGO No, the flash @ Then am I correct Well, A — that my understanding in my statement the operator tries to miss naturally,if he hits the target he won't to hit my question not Q@ <Answer target, or doesn't tries A He hit of the What part A&A The aperture Q You mean A It Q When the is the or no. Does a part of the target. target. hole, the in the target A That is portion is part air, 11 is of forms and target rod 18 is moved the try to miss the target? the target? in the formed that he yes he? to Q@ itself. plate the want would direct and therefore he the beam through the aperture in the target, FIRST NATIONAL BaNK BUILDING, CHI target? the that is say you of what target. the hit not does A a part target you say position, into release then the of released? right. ALICE M. RANKIN, GCOURT STENOGRAPHER, Q What causes A Gravity. Q Is it a fendants’ patent that upright fo TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 correct structure in suit the the fall after target statement as shown it is released? which can be in Defendants’ structure, as portions of both shown made Exhibit in Defendants? structures both are of de- A, and Exhibit the B, normally in position? as Hansen-cross i i]i! A That is Q Is it correct to say that the cell of either of the two that the target | and Figure 2 of Defendants! j A That is Q@ Is FIRST the A Gravity @ Am plays a part I correct in in saying resides, term "release"? A That is Q How do you cell a into lowered is poB Exhibit is this it; yes. that your primarily, ‘the result as that gravity into portions target these structures the result A? structures the against the to move lowed ultimate Defendants’! 3 of Exhibit these both of of light flash strikes correct. true it the moves case light of 4 flash machines, Figure in shown is when in each portion as such sition NATIONAL HANK BUILDING, CHICAGO correct. of al- thereby~ position? lowered differentiation between in your interpretation of SS rignt. define the term defined it. "release" for the purpose af ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, this controversy? A I have Q Would I have | A so you care had an To release that tion TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 not already it might of some to define opportunity a thing move other is You will to get a copy to let go, or either force. it briefly? To of its own release it remember of your definition. to liberate a thing volition the is to or let go of voliit. 266 Hansen-cross — in = suit UILDING, CHICAGO as shown, of defendants' it is C, Yes, example, machine that fact a for that isa the briefly summarize to Just Q as in shown Figure 4, and in Defendants' the structure Exhibits a connecting the cell means including stationary means engaging said A and target? traveling show structures both patent of the structure fact. And a photoelectric cell? And a cell. And a photoelectric FIRST NATIONAL BANKB photoelectric amplifier? >© fF pb © That is Q And means operatively A Yes, that is right. Q These connecting right. and the ampli- fier? and traveling movable A with That contact the contact stationary means means and target? is correct. ALIGE M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, Q Anda toward the manually aimed for projecting a flash of light target? A Yes, that is right. Q And signal means? A It includes a Signal Q And some A It includes TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 gun means means; yes. for actuating some means for the signal actuating means? a signal means. 2697 | Hansen-~-cross /— true structures is a necessery prerequisite for actuating the steps taken in actuating the signal Is it UILDING, CHICAGO from the amplifier means? signal the of It is one Is it a necessary A It is in Q@ Im the normal A current of flow the that in both Q means. Q prerequisite? FIRST NATIONAL BANK B the of operation normal the machine. SS means cannot be actuated the amplifier flows through a of 110-volt patent in unless current from the source correct.. trolling A That is Q And both am and of defendant machine the signal the suit, the of of operation structures have the for motor a driving con- correct? is that current; relay target; I correct? A That is correct. @ In both instances a gun is employed having an electric at the target; gun does not ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, light source for projecting is that correct? A No, that is not Q You mean that ject a flash A May Q Go ahead. TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 of I explain of light correct? the light light a flash at my own the source in the pro- target? opinion of it? 9FR Hansen-cross Se as CHICAGO target. the at of gun The A in suit The gun of the defendants' ter for allowing a flash of light of the gun to be directed at the Is the beam A No, it is @ Well, the to pass a shut- through the barrel at the target? target. constantly directed is it a correct statement then, result of a trigger is the emission very brief flash A Yes, the trigger pull-is Q Is structures have A Yes, they both have a Q Is true that in each of a beam employes it light Q@ light of has device and nature of a constant is which of light patent flash 4 projects the FIRST NATIONAL BUILDING, BANK motor A not. it includes No, the that and of a gun the from Ss light? result true it of pull machin in both that of the both shot-limit device of the the by the patent a flash of light. switch? shot-limit switch. structure is controlled a circuit shot-limit in suit for the switch? employes arelay A, ALIGK M. RANKIN, GouRT STENOGRAPHER, which controls device of by a cem trols Q TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 on the flow Is true it motor the they shot-counter of current that in by a shot-limit Yes, of defendants the trolled A the the patent have a in suit, switch mechanism to the motor. each case the which motor that whereas is the actuated operates circuit in or is con- con- switch? it is necessary for the shot-limit switch to be 269 Hansen-cross Se closed in in order for the relay A of the patent in suit to ie circuit. Q That is true, then A And that, in turn, Then it I beg -- | pardon. the controls | the to current of flow motor. Q that structures, both in true is patent the of FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO the that of defendant, and in suit flow to the current of a is A Well, not go by the controlled motor through the -- say that. I didn't 4A It is controlled by Q Is it true in both has electrical that actuating A Yes, it has. Q Is it true in both means must be M. RANKIN, GOURT STENOGRAPHER, it; it if I asked Q is do es suit in patent in the motor the to current the switch? shot-limit by it. controlled yes. . structures the shot-limit switch means? structures that these electrical actu- ALIGE ating shot-limit A Yes, Q Is the | ger A it successively operated to open the switch? that true is correct. in both structures electrical actuating means of the gun or movement? Yes, controlled {| finally by its that which by a switch is there is a circuit for controlled vy the trig- adjacent the trigger in the ———-—_____ --- 8908 TELEPHONE CENTRAL 270 Hansen-cross —_ gun. and means for moving A Yes, that is Q Is true that you FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHIGAGO it drop, and which with this movable to that says, MR. have which have described as target structure in both some Court please, but I think the said, it “Is is an error I will sustain the MR. PARKER: Q it that is itself target object seriously introduction to the question and Is true in defendants' you call movable structure linguae. I should structure of true?" COURT: what structures? I do not or lapsus THE with associated it possible.” | That in suit is target, a a as described be can portion PARKER: ALICE M. RANKIN, Gourt STENOGRAPHER, target target? the the question, "Is the right. If THREEDY: MR. a movable comprises in suit of the patent structure and defendants of structure the that true it Is Q the its base; is that target A Both structures a whole correct have in the structure, in relation as objection. there structure to the being also paten is associatieted a target target the portion structure, movable of both structures? a target structure which the in relation that to is movable; yes. @ Is it true that in the structure described in Figure 3 TELESHONE CENTRAL 5908 271 Hansen-cross ae CHICAGO the showing one of ferring to Figure scribed in the which traveling target, movab ly-mounted target portions, now is it patent an aperture aligned with A Yes, Q Is that is true that it said in aperture in the That Q Is aligned so to be 1 of Defend- portion Ld. the aperture that light of accurately target? the / is right. that true it target? the at target with by a flash to be struck in position A the Figure of 15 is at 62 so that directed structure photocell directed 48 positioned the the is member the right. is an it cell is accurately A there that de- in shown and aperture Exhibit and is re- so structure the in the photoelectric of light flash by a that true 3, with struck ants' of t he is aligned is cell FIRST NATIONAL BUILDING, BANK portion upper the as patent the of in both structures there is an operative cell and the member 66 © Exhibit B and the member 18 in Defendants' Ex- connection between the photoelectric ALICE M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRAPHER, in Defendants’ hibit A, whereby A impinges 48 or 11 falls on the cell or is moved to position? In the one device fendants’ Exhibit the patent in suit, TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 of light a flash is that the portion the result lowered when A. it falls. In the That device it is moved is the device of Defendants' to a hit position. of De- Exhibit B, Other- 272 Hansen-cross CHICAGO to the say question. the to is yes my answer wise, Then you ease there is such and the part 66 on the one hand, in a recumbent in each that you, connection an operative the between cell and the part 18 on the other, is that the target portion 48 or 11 that the ultimate result ends do proposition, Q position? FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING t, A Yes, Q@ Of A Yes. Q@ Is that both to move mechanism not You said remember turn will counter shot the are shot-limiti trigger pull of trigger of the in which a switch, operate @ operation there that to a in response operate each Yes, A structures both of true it true. structures? which means is on pull gun? gun will shot-counter the operate or shot-limiting means. not -- yesterday that there was whether said this of plaintiffs' structure, or you the the present I do patent in ALIGE M. RANKIN, GourtT STENOGRAPHEE suit or defendants' to say that there no the gun. Do A The shot-limiting er mechanism switch MR. TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 on the THREEDY: you was and both, but I understood you shot-limiting means associated with remember the that means light, answer? is associated in turn, with the is associated shot-count with the Court please gun. Could we have the witness, if the 273 il Hansen-cross ee ——. CHICAGO i, =ee did properly so. It would You have to determine vague be a little he think mt I do of? speaking was he device each identify | — the exhibits. COURT: THE | A Yes, MR. THREEDY: FIRST NATIONAT, BANK BUILDING you said? counsel what heard I have. answered your last question? Q Which device, MR. PARKER: A Iwas referring Q@ Would you say, suit between to the to, Mr. plaintiffs’ or referring you were What device of Hansen, when Sorens ents" ¢ the patent in wit. is no association PEER, patent in A Yes, I would Q@ There is no A The say that the shot-limiting association and this, you would there means and in the the gun? that. shot-limiting mechanism, the then, whatsoever? means is associated with in turn, is associated with the shot-counte the switch in gun. ALIGH M. RANKIN, Court STENOGRA Q Then this functioning means is controlled not say together by the that this common fact that trigger pull of the I believe that and the association the and shot-limiting gun constituted an association? A Well, to mean in my opinion, some direct connection with association the gun, some would direct have opera- tion with the gun. TELEPHONE CENTRAL 8908 274 ——s | Hansen-cross i Q Would you A Well, to associate, in my be linked it would means or in Q You mean A Yes. Q Then, into the A Well, yes. Q I am trying A Yes. Q@ If you FIRST NATIONAL BANK BUILDING, CHICAGO <= meaning to have that and by some structural the gun. reading the term "associate" or “association"? . to get at what were to give were, for the shot-limiting A Well, you that word example, to a cooperative