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OSS file — Military Equipment and Supplies for Guerrilla Operations / Production of STEN Submachine Guns and Ammunition in the U.S. (1942)

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A 53-page declassified OSS file from September 1942 on supplying guerrilla operations, including the proposal to have STEN guns and their ammunition produced in the United States (with requests of 2,500 guns for Chinese special operations). Wartime carbon copies; the OCR text is rough and should be checked against the page images before quoting.

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Office of Strategic Services
Year
1942
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Office of Strategic Services, 1942. US government work, public domain. CIA CREST release CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300008-3, via Internet Archive.
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OSS file — Military Equipment and Supplies for Guerrilla Operations / Production of STEN Submachine Guns and Ammunition in the U.S. (1942)

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He COMM TT TEE: he Tiipoebed Vhide momen be cente ba CUBR AL DPV hh Lo werertafi fhe ny pnoeed Lhe pro gee h be tag condtqhed Vy MAJOR ETIPLER, Aveood Uial Qrot. ahotdid be Hittin dned Le . nengne die Lhe 4,000) Mecrsbin pcan Ue dase mA Leer for the piteh, ap puch ober avmyeey rs rate a1 We comple beat, on bbe cori tden thie, fete ii i Tmpliewtdon thak the park of Ghee gd, erga) etune aay . In proeedtis of mindtackire wlll oe pene ered | abd ge ri Lepr Vie Likkete daa ie pte {de uibbn fp bp iererclerd Past Lhe ppg bine Ly O00 tin Laie Denil vi 2 a . ie el . Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 et Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 e ° ATG um Ty PW ye GOPY hoe | OEPTEMEU BE, Lud ToIH? POYGIOLOUTGAT WANMALTE GOnM LEE SSUPMAGLIELHT: CUTE TOR MU PR LA OF yey Nole by Lhe Seovedmarmy hie anc LoaNre, a proponnl of the Os Plae of Mlrabnyta Searviesn, hua been gongideread by the dull Pryrholortoud Warfare Gubecm blac whhel racommendnh the appravicd of nequiadt ion ly the Oeftefle Ol 14,800 Maal dn Qenan aubmiali lie gunn end alao Lhe porntsaton Lo puralveie bo, 000 ronndsy pep wonth of Oem anumndhbon Por enehool die month of Oebober, November and Dacembar, provided Lata daamndbton fa al tocated Cron Lhe supplier bes tag manulaetured Pathe United (bata Por tha ledtiah. Na lie Gat datas, Vacpebad a vga Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 od gu oun BNUGLOSURE L. ho OFfLee of Strategic Servicos has pending Lor’ aubnisaion and requeested approval, an extensive List of midivary and other supplies for uso of tt8 8. 0, operations, anpostally for supply to guerilla and patriot forces. Ine aluded te a request for G=mn Sten submachina guns or a similar mun ueing Axis ammunition and for O-nmm ammanition supply. The United Kingdom han produced several milifon Sten guns for home defense and "patrlot" supply. Acquisition of theaa guns of Beltdah manufacture invelven gona conp)leatlon, Meantime, Aruy Ordnance ts developing a chomp and tough Amorican Qenm gun using the samo ammud tion and daniprad for similar uses, Thia gun da to bo triad in Geboeber and, Lf nuecesaful, pro- dusttion should begin in Dooember, malelay guns available tn qiuntlby next year but not wnt) then, ae Menntime, 0.9.0. hea need now Cor Gen puns. 2,500 pune ave caquented di the Chingsa ara. Whaat: furtes avatlable, in procadga of nautaghupe, orn Duteh Lend-lesas order, 14,200 Mard ti daria 7 tua wilh woaden stoeke, af wlbiel. 5,900 are completed smd Lhe reonwtnder fm produstyarn dm an the next Pawo months. Diere da cleo tema rmmtadtbrorn be we prodvand an Us. ardor by belt tah gequest of qo ooabe enehine Sb mili son reunda nomonth ka hoventar, reac, teu wotel. thie nmewnit ef amambibion tery orn de necded Pov this, tegecs yoppeet Goadd be tude ave Tides wd thertt dittiendt io: \ I a. O06, desiven aul city te veerpea tha (he aboyesmentronded bret or bt eOu awd ts in aAbLook vow projeata, mad ta Save de bow rounds fo month af tdi tera. et btae sy bes Uy te Cadmance far oeneb ot tenth ee Docombor, pPernlig, be presser tat oct eps toe plete plana, daleyed by wariefareboinda pul, Bakivery of then teval bloek, wih) be moat neveptabte 1P Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 JPG Subcommittee Exceppts le y 7 ‘PRODUCTION OF STEN SUBMACHINE Guts i bo, in . som DR. ROGERS stated that the 0.£.S. will shortly sub- mit a new catalogue of materiel for all the supplies and equip- , ment which will be required by 9.S.&. in the next quarter, ws and that the requirement for Sten guns and ammunition will be ‘included. In the meantime arrangements have been concluded ~ for obtaining 14,2000 Marlin submachine guns, 9-mm caliber, -with wooden stocks. The 5,200 guns reported by LT. COL. BLAKENEY as available for 0.8.8. constitute the completed part of this lot of 14,200 Marlin guns. rt etan: The purchase of these guns by the 0.5.S. DR. ROGERS stated, will permit the Marlin Company to complete the production of the total number. He reported also that a re- quest for 2,5000 of these guns has recently come from the chinese and arrangements are being made to smuggle them into CHINA. esr tae poets Gamers BNF ee ed DR. ROGERS confirmed the request of 0.8.5. for 100,000 of the new U.S. submachine guns, to be calibrated for 9-mm ammunition. It was taken for sranted in this re- quest that these guns would be as good as or superior to the Sten gun. THE SUBCOMMITTRE: - a. Agreed to recommend ay»proval of the purchase by 0.8.8. of 14,200 Marlin submachine zuns, Q9-mm caliber; and in addition to a, rove the 0.6.8. requirement of 250,000 rounds of 9-imm ammunition per month for the months of October, November and December, on the condition that this amnunition will be furnished from the current Eritish allotment of 9-mm ammunition being proauced in the U.S. Directed the Secretary to transmit this recommendation to the Joint Psychological farfere Comaittes; Agreed to lay on the table the request of 0.6.8. for cllocutisn of 100,900 of the ew U.S. submachine euns until the teste of the first models of this sun have been comvseted. Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 - CIA-RDP13X 1R000100300001- J.PAWeC. Subcom tiac Minutes of Meeting Septomber 23, 1942 Kxtract CAPTAIN GROSSKOPF questioned COLONEL STUDLER on whether the 0.8. 4a committed to fueniah 9-in amnundtion for the 3 blllioeu Stun guns to be preduced by the British. COLON STUDLER, in his review of the present situation, made the following podnta: a. Deoause of lauk of copper, a horlvontal per- centage aut waa made in the pro uctlon of ommunition of all ovlibers, The British complained coneerning the cut in the delivery achedule of 9-mm ammunition and aecord- dogly that schedule waa left untouchud, but a out of equivalent amount of raw materlal was made in the .303 ammunition achedule. b. An ordar for 1.75 million rounda af 9-mn ammunition for Britdeh weoount las been plaved in Canada, for delivery al the rate of 25 million rounds per igith, but thie order has recently basn dwleted from the Army supply prowran. a Thiw leaven a tobal present producblon of Jem Qiuuntblon of 36 millton reunda per month, to be fully attained ln November, de [Tt la prebable that the British arc con- tinuing to manufacbare (mn anauntblon. Ge The requirement of O.5.5. for 250,000 rounds of Jeinm anmundtilon per month for the mothe of Qetober, Novuinbar ond Deouinber L442 can be met here by reduction of Britdeh dellverdea or by uddttlonal production in the two planta manufaeturbag Ghat atiunibton. £9 Tho Bribdah poqudren ate are many bined what (he present agrcement alloaitea ta them, and there Sore the Bit bah nay objuch to furntehing an adequate Auyyply of Yemn amnundtlon tor tie LO, 000 Sten Buna whieh OS. Will requive in the next ox montha, (1) SS t. —— anaes - ish a Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 00100300001-0 Ey be Pyosent produetion of .45 onliber io only about one-third of total requirements (1) Of the totul 1942 requirament 221 million roundy are for U.8. A and - and 3 billion rounds for Defense Aid, The production capacity for .45souliber ammunition ig far grouter than presont production but is held baok by shortuge of copper. dy Prosent production of .45-caliber submachine una te at the rate off 3,100,000, of which 37,000 are or U.S. Axay and Navy requirements for 1942 and 971,000 ave for Defense Aid. di ..The U.S. Army has a development project for an all-metul submuchine gun which will culminate on Ootobor 19, 1942. This gun will coat about ten to fisteon dollura and da primarily for use lu speotal operations, It cun bw produced Lor both .45-0aliber or 9-ma caliber ammunition by substitution of three arte. The flrat five model will be reuly in about dliree weeks and production can be started within two montha tlwruafter, provided priorltites can be obtained on neuded maleriola. COLONEL STUDLNR suggecdtbed thal bt might be dealvable to buy Sten guna trom the Urbblah for oub- varaive purponed for tiniedialy needa und Luter to use the new U.8. allemetul aubmachine gun in pluce of the | — Bien une Atter diseunaton, THE SUBCOMMITY' BI: = Requested DR, ROGERS to obbuin u report from the 0.8.8. on the following queations: ue What will be the 0.5.6. requirements for Qemm unnunition for Lhe 100,000 sub- machiny guis which have been requedted? b, Whnt will be the reguircmente Lor monthly daliverios of J«mn ammunition fer then guns? WLLL the 0.5.6. have a requirement for the new U.S. ellemetel submachine puns, in Yen caliber, in place of the stated requirements for Stun guna; ond LY ao, in whet amounts. and on what time schedule? (2) . Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 - r r eae 1 a ee fae a ; me i CHE a cat ene cs wh Minutes of Meeting ©. 1 ves September 22, 1942 hee Extract — | ns cre or aie DR. ROGERS presented a repbrt based on, Information mH | ‘obtained from. lhe Munitions Aca dgnnont Board ‘indtoatiag that. tho U.S. Army Ordnance Department plane to produge over 600,000,000 rounds of 9-inm ainmunitinn, It aleo stated that the 0.8.8. ‘had arranged to take over 14,000: 8ten' guna which had been manufactured for the Duteh; ‘The /0.8.6./ request for the allocation of 100,000 Sten gune of British wanulacture was renewed. © . —_ . ad Ll, COs ONTHANK reported that, at the urgent | vo requent of the Munitions Ascignnent Board, the request: of 0.8.5. for 100,000 Sten guna had been tranamltted. to them, a: | but not asa comnittee dioigion. | ef MAJOR WOOLNOUGH pointed out that the conclusive | factor in the deciaion to recommend thet 100,000 Sten guns be | monufuctured for 0.9.9. wos the shortage of raw materiale for ammunition, If thie will rusult in a lack of .45 calibur ammunition for our own forowa it will be undegizuble to di- fo: vort any raw materjala to the manufacture of 9-ma ammunition. Pl LT, COL, BLAKINEY concurred in thia view, CAPTAIN GROSSKOPF atatead that there seams to be ° Innuffiedent information presently available to the Committac on which Lt can make a deolmlon, especially aa to tho Puported order of ithe Ordnance Dupurseiten to produce 420,000,000 rounds of =m ammunition and whether that amount La already allocated te the British or for any other purposes. ne TAN SUBCOMMITT sli: = GN Requested MAJOR WOOLNOUGH to obtuln all the fucte ON necessary for a considured duciofou, bringing ' before the Committee any persons who could give the RO: fLnad information needed. aS * 4d = - illest tae Ca eel hd Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 . . || f_Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 t t Boplembor 19, LoA4a MEMORANDU FOR: Colonel Onthank FROM! Wilidean J. Donovan SUNECT: Stan Guns the Service Commind ana Haaret Qperntions would Like 40,000 Sten Quin mnde nvatleble for ite operations. OF Ute number, 10,000 are noodas {imeddately, the othara An, aly monthe. Wibtdem J. Donovan Direetor = ee 1a ee Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 vette The van if abatys as raceepreniraiee inetd 4R000100300001-0 < - | EXCERPT FROM JPWC MINUTES Auguat 24, 1942 ee) COLONEL DONOVAN read the recommendation of the Subconmittoe and referred algo to the production of an American 9-1. submachine gun. GENERAL WEDEMEYER reported that British members of the Combined Staff Planners have requested from London furthor information as to the uses to be made of Sten gune, eapocdally in subveraive operations, and that it would be desirable for this information to be before this Committee when action da takon on thin subject. THE COMMITTEE: Deferred action on this subjeot until ite next meeting. _—_ - wwe . 6 ee + Eto 1 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA- RDP13X00001R000100300001. -0 i. Because of the: connectso0" the pred odustion of State submach ine. _ a tan! eo - Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R00010030000 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 i rh The Subcommittee considere e@ made to: the ihnitions Ass ‘Fequest of August 4,. fe onal ments for the Sten ted that in view of od: 11d. obsible to for additional Sten guns to ' ead of one hundred thousand, with one nd rc 9-mn. ammunition apiece, within a tise limit of nine With other changes in wording, THE SUBCOMMITTEE: - a Accepted the draft of the proposed reply to the Munitions Assignmen Board. Note: To be iesued as J.P.W.C. 28 Directed the Secretary to circulate the basic paper and the proposed reply to the Joint Psychological Warfare Coumittee for consideration at its next meeting. Directed the Secretary to draft 4 secona paper stating in effect the background con- cerning the production of the M-2 gun and ammunition therefor which had been given by COLONEL STUDLER; and recommending that pince the United States must operate in both the Far Eastern and the European theaters it should produce an all-metal submachine gun calibrated for both .45-cal. and Q-mm. cal. for use in these two theaters respectively. Note: To be issued as J.P.W.C. 29 =— '- = - he _ — EE Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 1R000100300001-0 Se EHMRC ETE AAR RR RPETPSE TT Har se = Seem MMA LN RR TET EXCERPT FROM | JPWC SUBCOMMITTEE oe MINTZ | Auguat 19, 1942 COLONEL STUDLER exhibited two models of the M-2 Submachine Gun, 45 cal, which has been developed as an al- ternate for the Thompaon Submachine Gun (M-1). Disoussion of the poneibility oF (using this gun in place of the Sten Gun brought out the following information: 1. The U. S. program for production af mb- machine guna is for one hundred thousand M-1-s (Thompson) and ten thousand M-2's per month. 2, The M-2 is superior to the Stam Gun in consatruation and use. 3, Although the M-2 will. not break down in- to ap amall a package as the Sten Gun, it can be broken into two parte capable of being packed in- to containers Lo he dropped from planes. 4. The original contract price for the M-2 gun is thirty-seven dollars and twelve cents and ‘he British cost for the Sten Gun, on the basis of a production of two million, is about twenty- four dollara and would be greater in the United Stutos. 5. The 0. S. S. estimates that it will need one hundred thousand aubmachine guns in the next ninety days. 6. The Marlin-Rockwell plant which will pro- duce the M-2 ia tooled for 9 mma. guns und has pro- dwed about fifteen thousand for the DUTCH. 7 OA pilot modal of the M-2 submachine gun (M-2 converted to fire 9 mm. ammunition) could be obtained in about two weeks after a proval of the project und tho factory could be retodled to pro- duce M-3's instead of M-2's in about six weeks. 8. Present, production, both U. 5. and Can- adian, of 9 im, ammunition is twenty million rounds per month which will increase in the near future to thirty-five million rounds per month, 9, Additional capacity Cor production of 9 ma. amuunition can only ba obtained by releasing the Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 eraners roure fet sr Soeur rat | Sank aes fi “a0. <<. pails : peers lassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 co, i : yon ie -prouont capacity for 45, caltbre ammunition, in. which ». there ia presently extra capacity. There will be little dart iculty dn retooling ‘for production of oo 9 wa, ammunition. . . _ 10. There would be little difference in cost | ne a in 9 mm. ammunition and 45 odlibre aleunition. ' 4 COLONEL DONOVAN pointod out that ona important face == tor to be considered is the estimated length of the War. 5 Tf it is to be a long war the quality of the submachine guns should be reasonably hig. and thia condition is better met by the M-2 than by the Sten Gun. He strecsed another basic factor as the desirabil- ity of not being wholly dependent on the British on production of a 9 mm, a\ibmachine gun for use in German ocoupied terri- tories, which applies to production of ammunition as well. LT. COL. BLAKENEY raised the question of whether the output of ten thousand M-2's per month has been allo- cated to a definite use. If not, the present production could be switched to M-3's and be regarded aa a substitute requirement rather than as a supplemental requirement. i CAPTAIN GROSSKOPF recommended that present pro- ne cedure should be. mT - pee 1. To determine whether the present produc- tion of M-2's de already allocated and for what - purpose and area. Re If the allocation is for Europe the M-2's should be converted to 9 mu. calibre. 3. If the allocation is for areas where the enemy is not using 9 mm, agmunition and where the U. 5S. is propes ing to enter, the Me2's should not be converted from 45 calibre. COLONEL STUDLER stated that conditions seemed to be such that it would be desirable to develop a cheap all metal submachine gun of 45 calibre and also of 9 m. cal- Jbre and atore them for use in either theater. COLONEL DONOVAN proposed to meet, the immediate need of the 0.5.8. by borrowing one hundred thousand Sten Gune from the British, on a replaceable basis, and go into the dumediate produation of Unda converted to 9 mm. calibre. THE SUBCOMMITTEE: - > 2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 2 2013/07/31 CIA- RDP13X0000' RO00100300001., 0 een 20 LO Seri Re Baten ie nt, Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 20130 7/S I CIA-RDPA3X00001 RO000100300001-0 oC BEORME ® J.P.W.0. 28 — AUGUST 20, 1942 SOINT PSYOHOLO OLOAL, W ARFARE domes ERODUORION OF STUN SURMACHINE OUNS | ‘ Note by the Seoretary These are attached: 1. Oopy of Memorandum dated August 4, 1942 from Munitions Adsigenment Board to Seoretary, Joint Psychological Warfare Committee, @. Copy of Memorandum dated July 18, 194@ from Lieut, Goneval G. N, Macready to the Rxecutive Officer, Combined Muni- tions Assignments Board, 3, Copy of Memorandum dated July 20, 1942 from Commanding General, 8.0.8. to Bxeoutive Officer, Combined Munitions Agsign- monts Board, he Disouasion and recommendations of Joint Paychological Warfare Subcommittee, adopted at ita meeting Auguat a0, 1940 4. H, ONTHANK, Sacpetary, Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 7/31: CIA-R 300001-0 YEE i i - EHOLOSUR EB THE COMBINED CHIEFS OF STAFF WASHINGTON Munitions Assignment Boaird August 4, 1942 _ MEMORANDUM T'OR THE SECRETARY, JOINT PSYOHOLOGIOAL WARFARE COMMITTEL subject: Production of Sten Submachine Guns. 1. There is enclosed herewith o copy of M.B.W. 20 which covera a momorandum from Lt. General Macready to the Executive. Officer of the Munitions Assignment Board on the above subject togother with tho viows of Lt, Goneral Somervell on this matter. ae At tho 26th meeting of the Board this caso was re- torred to a sonnittea, conoiating of Lt. CGenoral O. M. Macready, Major Genoral R. C. Moors, and Colonel W. F. Tompkins, for con- sideration and rocommondations. 3. The British voqulrements Include a number of Ston sub- machine guns for subversive activities. London has been asked to advise tho quantity being procured for this purpose and reply is expacted within a fow days. W, Information 19 dosived aa to whether or not your com- mittoo ia planning any activities which would involve yequirements for this woapon which aro not now included in the present combined operations plans. 5. A similar momorandum has been sent to the Secretariat, Combined Starr Planners. 3/ William F, Tompkins WILLIAM F. TOMPKINS Colonel, Corps of Engineers CEE SEE GEOET Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 J ° GOFY HO. MeBaWy* #20 vi Tuy WR, L04@ MUNZCTONG ASTLONMENYS BOARD To WASHTNGVON PROVVOULON OF "STRN" SUBRMAGHINE GUN NOU I SEC RUTAR TES saan siinaeaald the ablashod lathers addvasusd Lo thy Bxeoutive orfieor, Nunitdone Agsignicnta Hoard, seo paforrad for the conaddoratien of tho Board. ve Ge KIELCOPE Cowbii d teapoburiat @ Inelosnres. ; Lm Lioul. Gon, Macrendyta dettow fuly i, dade, Giaub. Gen, Sonmovvellia Lettar ody oO, lace. i Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 * 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 OP GS PCRREDION JORND ORAPF WISeLON be b OFFIOns. OF INR COMBINED OHTHS OF STAFF - ps Washington ae | duly .oth, 1042, MEMORANDUM TO+ Majo» General H, Burna. ° a ' Executive Officer OeheaAd, | ED calle Mea Niel ao Real eM aedihee Ra hiahidhid aha datikidade kok te) PRODUCTION OF "SPEN" SUL MAGIITNE GUN. iy Walter Layten, on behalf of the British Min= later of Way Production, has aalad If the following queation - could be dealdad in Washington by the Combined Chiafa of Staff : and thede subordinate bodies whieh deal with mitbera of thia leind, a. {In 1041, the manufaatuve in the U.K, of a light, cheap, and anaily made aub machine gun eolled the "Stan" waa undertaken with a view Le providing weapona of thia kind as rapid ly as possible for all briblah and Allied forsea, whigh could not quickLy obtain supplien af the Thowaden machine puna, oe For ie manent tha lsaaue ef the Sten aub machine gun ta nainiy limited to atatia Lreapa auch aa pround personnel on Aerodpemes, gorat defence units and aertain lesal forces and Patriot forces, The Mindatry of Way predugkion astinate that the total British requivenentsa for alt purposes aa far aa enn be foreseen will be met by the end of Mareh 10435, when two mii.ion of thease guns will hive been produeed., Whe maniufueturlug eapaclty on bhe lst Aprdl 1448 will La 300,000 weapons par month, so that by the end of 1943 some theres million j.una additional te Bettiah pequiramanta gould be produoed, . . he The question for eanaldarutiun La, therefore, whether the lagtery preduatas tha “Ston" should be elosed down, ov the output at any’ vate reduead te 4 very amall waintenanoe firuve In Awrll 1045, ov whether mere “Sten” fauna ahould te pres dused ba moat tha needa of the United Nations, on possibly to rn a pteck for the uae of Vatrlot foreesa in countries new oacue plad. Tt da venarally apyeud Liat the United Nationa apa vary short ef amadl arue and will be tnapenatigly short, Not only are there ewrent denande by allies or potential allies throughout Lhe world, bub thera will bye lnoreasing need for a abookpiig of small arma with whieh te rear aubjurated populationa, In thit conreation if fa worth notin: that 9 fm Boa anmuar tion manufactured by the Axia Towers gan be used in) the ; "Sten" gun. - § ; a 8 De A point which alesely affsaets thia question La ade that of the dow ontput of QO am aurunition as aompared with the y outputs of the weapons, io more capacity for making 9 pun ammunt- tien aan be found by the United Kingdom and agcerding te present } Porsenata the batal arusunition produgad by Slat March 1044 will | ‘ only be anorexdiutoly 370 raundsa per weapon, (when as stated : 4 ai «le. . ir Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/3 IA-RDP13X00001RO000100300001-0 aryste the United Hetions | Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA- ee aeale Rael abasearaeocen 0 lear that tional production of 9 I should be erated £: you would: arrange ft br 4 this matter to be put before the Combined Hunit ions Assignment } 2 Board with the view toj its: consideration from both the operation= al and "requirements" points of view, t /s/ (G,N,MACREADY) Lieut-General, Commander, Dritish Army Staff, Copy to:- Lt.Gen, 5.B,Somervoll, Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA:RDP13%00001R000100300007-0 2 + U.S, agonmi | Biro note sronme EE: Me Be ' . #20 4 nly az, 1942 WAR DEPARTMENT Hoadquartera, Services of Supply t July a0, 1942, MEMORANDUM TOR MAJOR GENERAL J, BURNS, EXECULIVE OFFICER, COMLINED MUNITIONS ASSIGNMENT BOARD. Subjoot: Production of "Stan" Subemachine Gun, : he With reforanca to Conaral MacReady's memorandum of duly 15, 1048, vequosting that the Combined Muntittens Assienmont Board consider the desirability of further production af the "Sten" gun, it would appear that this quoation must be resolved by our ability to previde ammmition, Be Our atandard subemaciina gun la the Thempson gun, and aludies ara how underway looking vo Lha further sliplifica= tlon of this gun. Our Ground’ Porces consider it to be a supeae rior woapon to the "Sten" gun, and aro unwilling to aceapt the latter ag a substitute Weapon, t alsa understand that the Rua« fangs are not willing Lo ieospl the “itben!" gun As aA unbalitute Woapon, thus pedueing their reqviroments for the Thompson jun, Moroovoy, while the bpitiah are Wiiltip to uecopt the "Stern! fan in lieu of the Thompson gun for certain Linco fecommnieatlon troops, thoy have alpcady tndieuted their desire io oblain Thompaen guna Por ariilLlory troopa sg that cle Proposed pnbatiea tution will not reduce either Thompsan gun or ammunition Peaquipoe. mentba, Huneo, a fur the: produetion of the "ton wun woukd not redues our own production roquiremunts In tlds gountry, nor lessen the vequurcmenta for anmunttion to meet our necdg, 3. there Ja an acute shortage ta ali types of small arma anmuni tion, a shortaze whieh 1b whll be dirrieult to alleviate, ag it ronultsa Crom an dnauffseient supply af coppur, Hones, if la impossible for ua Lo undertake oither the responaibility for providing ammunition for additional "Sten! guns on Lo fupnish tha roquilasita copper to the Uniktod Kingdom, 4. T approciate the vory useful pupposs which tits p would acrvo, Hevorthelosn, IT feel that ite pratwation pate shard bo coternined by the capacity of Lr United Kingdom to crovide ame maitton without a further deadn ou our copmor aupoly. f/f LAON SOFEAVLLL, Ticutenant vobiel, Commandine, Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 "has onto immediate needs fox amning Patrdot soiree in . ovoupded. sountries, The Office of Strategic Services has poquéat= . ad 5,000 Sten: Bund, With 1,000 rounds of 9 mn, ammunition apiece, | within a time Jimit of ninety days, Further requirements are as yet undetermined, Bs On the bagia of the possibility of a long war, the prindiple of production of weapons within sontrel of the United States should be accepted. Complete dependence upon the Britieah for preduotion ef a gun of this type and anmundtion fer 4t te an untenable pealtion, RECOMMENDATIONS oe The Joint Payshologiaal Warfare Suacommtttee reaom- mendes, therefore, that the Munitions Agsienment Beard be answered to the Collewing purport: (a) An addtttoxat vaquiremant of §,000 Sten aub- machine guna, with 1,000 reunda ef anmunttion pap gun, fer Wee af the OFflae of Stratemta Servieesa within the next 90 daya, should be ineluded tn Planning the production af thie Aun (b) Aocepting the prtnotpla that the production of weapena for use by U. 8, foraoa ahowld be under and within U. &. gentxel, the above rbaquivemon! ta plaeed on the basta of approval of the tnuedtate development And production tn the United States of an all-metal, dm, aubmAchine gun and the ooayresponding inevease of O-nm, ammunition to requisite oapnat by, Declassified and Ap proved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and A d For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 1 SECRE? F.P.W.C. 29 AUGUST 20, 19%e ! ‘ i wy i | | | JOINT PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE COMMITTES PRODUCTION OF 9-MM. SUBMACHINE GUN BY U. 38. Note by the Secretary The Pollowing propessl is recommended by the Joint Psychological Warfere Subcommittee for submittal to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. , A. H. ONTHANK, Secretary. Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 - ui Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 5 re iad _ v Sage ET iy QNOLOSURE he Duying sonsidovation of a veply to the Munitions Assignnent Board conserning further requirements for production of the Sten 9=mn. submachine guy, & representative of the Ordnanse Department iaformed the Joint Peychological, Warfare Subcomnittec of its plans to produce a .5-o01. all-metal submachine gun (Mea), It will be produced at the rate of 10,000 per month in one fnotory at an initial oentract price of $37.12 apiece, Tt is understood that there 19 now no speoial allouation for the M-2 gun and that 16 will be stored and leaued 4A use requires, ,, Tt ia further understood that theru La now an axcesa eapaciby for produgtion or Ahead. gmundition, 4, The Joint Payshologion) Warfare Subsommittes, in ita consideration of the uses of submachine guns for arming, Patriot groups in Axie-oaoupled countries, an well as for other unas (e.g. lone Guards), pegarda the adoption of the followin prine Ciple as essentials~ (8) That the produetiion of weapung Top use by U. 3. foroen should be unéer and within U, 8. sontrol, 4, The Suboommittes also believes thit stinea UL 3. opera. fiona in eonjunelion with Patriot aroupa will be carried out in Burepe and the Tarp Bast 1b will be nedenaary Lo have submach Lne puns of both 9-mm. and W5 oval. for uae tn these areas respect ively Tha Subcommittees, therefore, recomenda t- (a) That the U. 8. should tmmadtately yo into prodne- tion of the Me? all-metal submachine gun calibrated for beth Ouwmm. and <5 ammuind tion; (b) That the oxcess capacity for produetion of ithe eal, amminition be devoted to production of a requisite anpol of G-mm, amnunition. Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 PERUTE iss cree assified and I 2a eee August 19, 1942 Colonel Donovan ‘ Colonel Goodfellow Yesterday I went tc the Ordnance Departmert and talked with Colonel Studler. They think very well of the Ston Gun. He said if we needed 100,000 in 90 days he could Jshow us how we could get 100,000 in that period of time. They showed ine all the new guns they had, includ- ing a new gun which simulated the teclnique on the Sten gun - made of all metal. There are two hitches to it so far as S. 0. ami guerilla activities are concerned ~ you can't break the gun down and package it into the containers which fit the bomb racks in the plane. They should 45 ammunition and we can't get that there. The Sten guns will shoot ammunition which they can steal from the enemy if they run out. I saw a new carbine which weighs less than 6 pounds. Sten guns weigh about 7 pounds. The carbine is the kind of thing every boy would love - it's lights; shoots 30 calibre. It is too long to package - one piece with a wood stock. ~ =a ee ine Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : Cla RDP 13x 10 : agp 0001R000100300001- 0 Retasacae ne Daisue OSA Colonel Studler’ said they were getting in produc- tion on the carbine, and I an going to put in: for 2,500 right away, since there will be a fight. on priority. The carbine should be the fixed weapon of guer- {lla wits; the Sten should be used behind the lines. I talked with two of the fellows who had given us bide on the gun, - we have three bids so far, and they are at substantialiy the same. I would recommend that we make, just for insurance purposes and for our own supplies, 100,000 of these Sten guns. Colonel Studler can get me 100, 0OC in 90 dge. They farm out the small parts to smaller companies, and then they 4s- vemble them. The War Production Board sent a fellow over and asked if any of the gadgets we manufucture could be farmed out to smaller firms - if so, they would appreciate it. As to the British, who will have this complement of 2,000,000 guns with 370 rounds of ammunition as of April 1, and will have a capacity for 300,000 for the next year. This should be continued to be built up, but for our purposes we ~ =. ane. ~ en ee Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA- RDP13X00001RO00100300001- 0 Declassified and Ap proved For Release 2013/07/31 CIA- BO TE Morea -0 would need '100, 060 right away. Therefore, sinoe we can't get, them from the . Britiah, aa inaurance for ourselves we should make 100,000 - then take another look at the situation. We should aleo get priority for a certain amount of ammuni- tion. bs a -—ome - io. —.- _ ¢ Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 soe Tre ps : ; d By LF Rs Smug 28 Declassified and A ¢ : /31 : CIA-RDP13X000! (01R00010030 eae pee at ; ; , 1c gh : Me & 4 C. ve yr rhs aR, ' ore ahr ld cee eke o August 27, 1942 From: Captain Doering oe Tos Colonel Donovan SECRE]! Bubject: Ammunition for § duns The filgurea given in thie memorandum have been ob- talned from the attached telegram addressed to you, and from oonverszations with Messra, B. PF, Carpentar of Remington Arms Compuny and HN, MW. Clive of the British Purchaaing Commiasion. 1. Probien Presented The Britlsh now have quantity production of the 8 gun dn a factory located in the United Kingdom and in a Canadian Plant about to go into peoduetion, Ky the end of March, 1943, if 4,900,000 guns wlll havea been prodaced. Thin wlll be suffletent to aublsfy britlah reqitrements, foam not advised of the use which the Brdtdah intend makiag of bLhese guna, bub T understand they are well, adapbed to Comucals and .0, Operatforns., RBecnuse OF thelr low coat of production, hose per dun, they noy alao be diatributed to Britatuts ome Guard. . On Aprtl 2, 1943, Lhe munafacturine capackty of the $ gun whl he 300,000 per aonth; go that by the end of 1945, approxi, toaly 2,700,000 additlonal vung can be pasodicerdd. he es = 5 - - ‘ o _ =e e. ee i . ¢ . Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassifi ed and Appr op : i “question prosanted tn the attached telegram in thé extent, — ¥ “4f any, to whioh the production ef these guns should be can tinued after April 1, 1943, "to moet the needa of the United “ NatLons or to form 4 steel pilo fer the uae of patwlLot foraga : dn ceuntsles now ooouplhed,n However, Mr. Olive in.’orne me that the Beltiah ontamate thelr needs at 1,000 rounds per gun, and from the Clgurea given, which Appeor bo be gorreat, thay will have only 370 xountla per gun in Marah, 1943, wien 2,000,000 guna wil have been completed. It gooma therefore that the queatlon of supplylug the Britieh with the balance of 430 vounda per gun is ulao Lavelved, Guns are urgently needed, and wa ara advise! that tt would be Liupractloable to ebunve over production to a differant oaliber or type of gun. Apart from the problem of hortages of meatertala, Lb ts therefors vbylousty dealrable te e utdave maxi-~ ma produabloen to the @xtent that 9m. aumunttton esa be pro- duced for this purpose in Britatn, the United Staten snd Canada, without interfering with the production uf ammunttion fer guna which the U. 8. Army bebleven to be of equal op gree ter importance, There Les not autfletent exaoga amnunktion Guogatity dy this country, Canada and the United Kingdom to provide the re~ quired anmastion (1,000 vounda per gun) for 5,900,1%) & guns, Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 #m Declassified and Approved For Release 01/07/31 cles RDP 13X00001RO00 100300001 0 o capacity for production of .45 autonntie - ol and/oi 30 carbine ammunition to Omm. parabeldun aununition. However, excean capacity in thease calibers ie not suffiesant to supply the entire estimated output of these guns. To acoompliah this, |: dt would be neoessany to increase capacity until the required total production had boon reached, 2. Production of same In the Maeis-y capo Staten, production ¢ of he Thompson submachine gun is antimatad al at Yb, 0 000 per month, and prepara~ Liens sre belng made for the production of the .30 carbine in the plants of 1% to 15 differsnt companites at the rate of 11,500 par day, ‘ 3. Produotton of Ammunition The only calibers in which production facliitiles can be converted for the preduetion of 9mm. are the .45 caliber for the Thompson oubmachine gun and the .3G eallber for the +30 garbline. Prasornt capacity for praduction in the United States of Imm, amounts to 15,000,000 per month at Winchester, By October Winshoster wlll have converted an additions] cupacity Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 CoLenad Donevan of 7,900,000 ‘par ‘wonthy now davoted te production of eae : inbo ona. production, a total of 22,000,000 par month. Western Cartrldga Company will. alao by October change over - a capacity fox 13,000, 000 ASN into production of 13,000,000 Jun. por month. By October therefore Western ond Winchester WLLL bo producing 35,000,600 9m. cartridges per montn. To this mast be added the output of a new factory in Canada which “Wil go inte production of 9mm, hoginuing next month. This factory la scheduled to produce 500,000 rounds in Soptamber, 1942, and thereafter at an Inereasing rate until the maximum cupucity of 100,900,000 rounds per month la reachod Jn October, 1943» ALI of tha ahove producthon, ineluding that of Winchester and Western, Is to be for frlttah account, and La apparantly Uneluded in bhe figuraa given in the attached tela- gyn of 370 rounds per gun for 2,000,000 guna by Maret 31, 1943. Therefore en the basta of 1,000 rounda per weapen, whieh dn Mr. Clivats abatement of British total requiremente, an addittonal 630 rounds per weapon will ba required, or a total of 1,260,000,000 rounds by March 31, 1943. In addition, 1f production of the yun ls Lo be continued after March 31, 1943, &% cnpactty, 16 Le aatimeted that an addlttonal 2,700,090 — mame a+ en Sane Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0 Declassified and Approved For Release 201 3/07/31 : CIA-RDP13X00001R000100300001-0